Paul Krugman in Conversation with Phillips O’Brien, 20-09-2025

Paul Krugman: Hi everyone. Paul Krugman again. I’m speaking for a second time with Phillips O’Brien, a military historian. He’s had a lot of influence on how I think about history even before Ukraine. His book, How the War Was Won, completely changed how I thought about World War II. He’s often contrarian but almost always right in his comments since this whole Ukraine thing started. And I thought that after this past week with Alaska and then the gang of Europeans coming to DC, it would be a good time to check in again. So hi, Phillips.

Phillips O’Brien: Hi Paul.

Krugman: I want to get to your new book towards the end and I want to talk about the diplomacy or whatever it was that we just saw in Washington shortly, but first I’d like to talk a little bit about the war in Ukraine.

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